This entry was posted on 2/27/2006 9:39 AM and is filed under Leaders,Meetings,Policy.
We have open positions for other volunteers to replace people who’s children are retiring from soccer like Nancy Brown. We really then need to have a discussion as to the future of how we will be organized and to what powers the central club may have.
Recently I keep hearing internally and externally that it may be time to hire club leadership staff who could afford the time to make these decision and to do much of the required behind the scenes clerical things that Harry, Nancy, Don, and I do for the club as volunteers. Doing this would be a trade off. On one side we get stability of a more formal and more efficient organization. On the other side that means teams giving up on control over some of the smaller priorities like uniforms and maybe even working within additional limits and expectations of club standardization. Realistically some teams may choose to joining forces more closely while others may choose to drop their Challengers affiliation.
If we are to hire somebody fees would have to go up to support salary (maybe $75 per season per player might be a good starting proposal).
This would further require us to formalize and become a corporation. (probably a 501c3) with a volunteer board of directors . That means probably insurance and other costs so we are probably brings us to $100 per season per players. Still there is no guarantee that things will be “easier” for anybody. Much of this requires work, time and decisions so it may or not be time efficient for each of you who are supporting the club at a team level.
-----Original Message----- From: theboswell5@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:56 PM To: McBride, Kevin; Mark Landiak; McBride, Donald T (Don); Duin, Harry, scott.peterson@fpintl.com Subject: Second try - Soccer Meeting
Think I sent a half completed message...... here is the full one...
Gentlemen: I propose we get together again to discuss and decide upon the following items.
1. Combined team goalie training. For this we need to find a trainer, pick a day/time/cost and decide when we should start.
2. Non for profit status for an umbrella organization (for example, ISTA - Independent Soccer Teams Association). We need to find a lawyer and determine how much the whole process will cost so we can divide the cost between all teams under the ISTA umbrella.
3. Other ways we can help each other this coming season. As Kevin has mentioned other possible areas are summer camps, indoor training, scrimmages and player referrals.
Any ideas on when we should get together??
Malcolm Boswell Cell 630-835-9910 Home 630-548-1019
From: Deneen Robert [mailto:robertx7@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: FW: 501c- Not for Profit status
Jim, This is what our Corporate Accountant sent me. Hope it helps!
The website below, is on the Illinois Department of Revenue web pages, and gives a little bit of the process. I have not set anyone up myself, usually there is a legal office handling the incorpration papers. For a small organization I think web page gives a good background, and then I'm sure you can contact the Department of Revenue directly for assistance. http://www.revenue.state.il.us/NonProfits/index.htm
Hope this helps! Thanks, Clare
On March 1 Don Wrote Yah, I looked into the not-for-profit/501c thing yesterday. As far as I could tell. Before you get a non-for-profit status, you need to be a limited liability corp. LLC. This also saves my/oour but in case someone decides to sue us. That in itself might be a good idea. However, LLC in Illiniois costs $500 for the app, and then there are several other forms, probably one or two more we must fill out, that range from $25 to ~$200. Then you have to apply for non-for-profit. Then I think 501c is a Fed Gov. designation.
But, a lot in there I did not fully understand. Nevertheless, it is no longer the $50. I remember finding back a couple years ago.
On March 1 Jim Wrote: Yes it is expensive to make an LLC in IL however this does not sound like good policy that it is so expensive because it becomes like a $1000 tax for Not-for-profits. I wonder if there is a lower fee that applies to not-for profit LLC's. Anybody know this better?
From: McBride, Donald T (Don) [mailto:mcbride@lucent.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:14 AM To: 'Scott Peterson'; theboswell5@comcast.net; McBride, Kevin; Mark Landiak; McBride, Donald T (Don); Duin, Harry; 'scottpeterson1@aol.com'
Thanks for resending this Scott.
Do we have any proposals for a meeting date/time? Mark, wanna propose one since your travel schedule is a tough one to get around?
I'd like to propose very early or very late, as I get docked for time away from the kids, esp for soccer.
Finally, I want to get more definition around the notion of ISTA. I agree with the general principle of sharing resources and obtaining 501c status. However, I don't understand how we can have two faces, one as ISTA and one as our independent clubs. Looking at the Naperville Park District plans, there are some strict criteria regarding club entities and it is not clear to me that this is a good idea for the Challengers to be lumped together with other teams from outside Naperville. NPD wants one contact from each entity they work with. ALso, each entity is categorized based on the number (or %) or participants from Naperville. Joining with a team from outside Naperville will hurt our ability (and perhaps our cost) of obtaining fields. I need to be clear as to how indendent we can remain. I think this will require separate entities as individual clubs and 501c status for each club.
9/22/2007 12:50 AM
Jim E wrote:
I think that a standard clerical person could not handle the complexities that I handle daily. If we have to direct somebody on every little thing then there is no timesavings for me here.
In my business I bill by the hour and have more work than I can handle. If I did not have to worry about these volenteer issues it would imediately double my billable time. I like volenteering for our club but it is a matter of what I can afford.
My feeling is that we either need to hire soembody or we need a lot more people volenttering tackling day in and day out issues. Maybe we rotate responsibilities monthly?
When Nancy and I had each other to back us up and we had 1/2 the number of teams. It was still often overwhelming. Going forward it may prove impossible to continue to put this level of time in in lieu of bilable work.
Kathy M may be just the sort of person we could hire. Whoever we hire needs to be expierenced doing this now so training time is minimal and they need to be able to work with minimal supervision.
I feel we can be unique by maintaining a volenteer board, letting the teams handle team financial issues etc and having a club that focuses on serving the teams. Not vice versa. Having a stated philosophy and being not for proffit keeps us unique. Our costs could still be the lowest around even if we hired the right person to take the load off. I also feel that one of the things that makes this work is coaches that are not limited and parents that are not frustrated getting answers. We have set a pretty high standard for our communications. This information sharing is really what enables us to do unique things at a club level.
Finally, like I said. Some teams may find it better to turn totally independant while others may choose contribute funding for the necessary services the club is using. Either way the club that is dependant on volenteers that leave will perrish so we can only be unique if we are not totally dependant on people who are getting burned out or overwhelmed or just simply approaching retirement. Reply to this
